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JavaOne Gossip: NetBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
At 7:01 AM on May 20, 2006, Mikael Grev
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Allegedly he took a bunch of NetBeans stickers, sneaked onto the pavilion show floor early Thursday morning and put those stickers on the Eclipse Foundation’s booth. He then photographed the spectacle and put it all in his blog! Go Roumen!!
So, what is the Eclipse Foundation going to do to get even? The gauntlet has been thrown and the humor crown is up for grabs. Given the slow start by the Eclipse crew I suggest we give them a little head start by posting some suggestions for them on how to get even.
Not that I have talked to any of the NetBeans team, but I can almost promise they can sponsor the winning contribution with a NetBeans 5.5 beta T-shirt.
JavaOne: where nothing out of the ordinary ever happens, but when it does, it will reach the masses, despite good effort to make it otherwise.
Cheers,
Mikael Grev
Btw, if anyone has a cached version of the above mentioned picture, send it over and let’s see if we can’t bring that to the masses as well.
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Re: JavaOne Gossip: netBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:59RT6B_zysoJ:blogs.sun.com/roumen+Roman+Strobl+eclipse+booth&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1Still can be seen here, got to love google cache
If Ian did indeed get angry at this little prank, it's a little sad that he couldn't see the funny side.
Re: JavaOne Gossip: netBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
I know Ian WAS upset, as I saw his comments on Roman's blog before it was pulled. Personally, I don't blame him. While I can see the humorous side to Roman's actions, it was on par with a college prank - hardly appropriate for a setting like JavaOne. I think the best way for Eclipse to get "even" is to do absolutely nothing - be above the war of pamphlets and water bottles and instead focus their energy on product development.Re: JavaOne Gossip: netBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
Maybe when NetBeans has something of worth to compete with Eclipse, then they won't have to resort to such childish pranks.What a moron, figures that he's developing for NetBeans.
Re: JavaOne Gossip: NetBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
It was all done in fun, but unforunately the Eclipse Foundation guys took it seriously. I thought it was an innocent prank in the evening - just a couple of leaflets, I didn't glue them, I didn't damage anything and I did it right before the pavillion closed in the evening (so I did not sneak in). I realized in the morning that I went over the border with publicizing it and thus I removed the blog entry.I spoke with Steve Northover about it and he had some very cool ideas about what they could have done to us as a reaction
The Java dev community has a history of lacking humor, Roman
The Java dev community has a history of lacking humor, Roman, although the tech industry as a whole has a long history of being good-hearted and fun-loving in some of its biggest rivalries. I can't tell you how often we've seen someone post something funny here at Javalobby, only to be rebuffed by others for not being sufficiently "professional" (or worse, by people needing to be TOLD it is a joke!)Personally, I hope the humor was appreciated by all, and I hope those guys use their formidable talent to scheme up a lighthearted and comical way to respond in kind.
Mike, Ian - don't get mad, get even! This could be the start of a great tradition - a moment of opportunity. Roumen, if you get a personal invitation to EclipseCon from either of those guys, then I'd be afraid, very afraid. They're Canadian, you know, and they are very likely to take innovation to new levels after a few rounds of beer.
I hope they will. All of this "professional" stuff is really kinda boring sometimes.
Rick
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Re: JavaOne Gossip: netBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
> Maybe when NetBeans has something of worth to compete with> Eclipse, then they won't have to resort to such childish
> pranks. What a moron, figures that he's developing for NetBeans.
Please, Dominic.. Name calling and personal attacks are not really needed here.
And I don't for one minute believe that Roman had any malcious intent here. It was just a good natured prank. Maybe JavaOne was not the place for the prank. But that doesn't change the fact that I'm sure Roman did it all in good fun.
And like others, I hope the Eclipse Foundation takes the "don't get mad. Get even" approach. I think it would be a breath of fresh air, and inject a little bit of much needed humor into the often way too heated "IDE wars".
The late Alan J. Perlis once said "I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing."
I think we would all do well to follow his advice a little more often than we do.
Re: JavaOne Gossip: netBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
"Maybe JavaOne was not the place for the prank" - my point exactly.A conference where people are promoting their "product" is not the place for it.
So don't give him sympathy just because his "intentions" were not malicious.
Re: JavaOne Gossip: netBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
A confrence it may be, but part of a conferance is letting your hair down and socialising, isn't it?Who was harmed by this little prank? At the end of the evening he put some netbeans leaflets on the eclipse stall and photographed it. He did not damage anything, the number of people who seen them would of been extremely limited - I think the reaction from the eclipse team was knee jerk possibly due to not being able to capture the thought behind the act.
Ok, it was a little chilidish, but it was also funny. Don't get me wrong, I am not a netbeans user (from personal preferance, it is a good ide, as is eclipse) but your general attitude from this seems to spawn from your preferance imho.
Re: JavaOne Gossip: netBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
> So don't give him sympathy just because his> "intentions" were not malicious.
And this a perfect example of what I mean Dominic. You can't take anything with any sense of humor at all because of your brand loyalty to Eclipse... Tell me, if it had been the other way around, would you be saying the same thing? Some how, I doubt it.
Re: JavaOne Gossip: NetBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
>Btw, if anyone has a cached version of the above mentioned >picture, send it over and let’s see if we can’t bring that >to the masses as well.The pictures.
PS: The link of an earlier post above, at least for me, doesn't work.
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Re: JavaOne Gossip: NetBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
If it had been my booth at a conference, I would have had you arrested and charged with unlawful entry, unlawful use of my property, and whatever other charges the police thought appropriate. I would have done my utmost to see you prosecuted to the maximum extent under the law.You offer a bunch of flimsy excuses for your actions, none of which marks you as an honorable or decent person. Your excuses communicate your character as much as your foolish and criminal actions at the show.
Engaging in criminal behavior to disrespect an organization closely affiliated with a Platinum Co-Sponsor is definitely enough for me as a manager to fire you. I cannot see any upside to your actions or continuing your employment. You gave a black eye to yourself, to NetBeans, to JavaOne, and to Sun.
The only right thing to do is for Sun to fire you and show that criminal behavior is 100% completely unacceptable. At the very least, you get an interview with HR, a note in your file, and you are put on at least a year of probation. This way at least Sun is partially covered if you do something else stupid that gets Sun in trouble.
You are so desperate to run your little spin machine and put a good face on your crimes. But the only right thing to do is to admit your crimes like a man and say you made a mistake. When you have just as publicly admitted (a) that your actions were criminal and (b) that you were 100% flat out wrong in your actions, then you will have a chance to redeem your name. Until then, you are just another scumbag.
Re: JavaOne Gossip: NetBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
I am glad someone else has the bravery to speak up and acknowledege the fact that he was messing with property not his own.Just think of the fact that people pay good money to get their booths and to create their conference collateral.
So, joke or no joke, it does not make it something acceptable to do.
Re: The Java dev community has a history of lacking humor, Roman
Criminal behavior should not be encouraged. And what you offer is explicit encouragement.If you paid good money for a booth and someone from the company that puts on the show defaces your booth and then publishes his vandalism on the Internet, I doubt you'd just brush that off as a joke.
In the real world, that person just got himself in a lot of trouble. Beyond breaking numerous laws, that person broke the rules of the trade show.
There is zero tolerance for actions like that. For if it is allowed -- at all -- for people to mess with the booths of other companies and organizations, the show would be a war zone. Trade shows and conferences are a place for people at rival groups to come together under a peace flag.
This is one of those laws of the beach. The beach is no fun if you have to post a guard when you go in the water.
This is why when someone breaks the rules and breaks the laws, they need to know, unequivocally, that what they did was wrong and will not be tolerated. They need to go through the system, meaning legal prosecution, to understand what they did was wrong.
It is the only way to learn for some people who are not inherently moral or ethical.
Brushing off criminal actions as "lacking humor" is just dumb.
I hope behind the scenes that Roman as been spoken to. In any case, what has to happen in public is everywhere Roman posts, he has to offer an admission of his crimes, a sincere apology, and a promise to never do anything of the sort again. That is the only way to redeem himself.
Based on Roman's responses so far, I believe the only road to redemption for Roman lies through being prosecuted. He so clearly does not get the reality of his actions. I hope he learns fast.
Re: JavaOne Gossip: NetBeans Pulls a Prank on Eclipse
Sorry Roman I have to agree with Ingmar though not in the angry sense.Putting leaflets around a competitor's booth is lame from the clever perspective. Jokes aren't jokes without a touch of cleverness in their presentation.
Some thoughts on clever for this stunt.
. Use a laser projector to display a Netbeans statement adjacent to Eclipse logos in their booth.
. Free drinks to Eclipse with Netbean logoed ice cubes. In a fancy netbeans glass of course.
. Let your mind go free here, you have a year to dream things up.
It was funny in 1998 or 1999 when Microsoft paid people to dress up (or maybe that was just SF finery) and write anti java things on the sidewalks around Moscone during JavaOne. The writings were colorful chalk and had a wacky sense of whimsy to them.
Thanks,
Jim