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Re: Why would a developer buy a closed-platform, when an open platform exis
Because the N800 is not actually a phone?Re: Why would a developer buy a closed-platform, when an open platform exis
> Sorry but I cannot care less about any Nokia phone,> they are the one offering junk to customer's.
I've been using Nokia phones exclusively for the past decade almost and I've always been happy with them...
Had trouble twice, first time they gave me a new phone immediately (firmware fault, in the time before you could update firmware), the second time they repaired it quickly (screen hardware failure) and under warranty.
Pretty much everyone I know uses Nokia phones and is happy with them.
> Steve jobs follows the IPod philosophy, and so far he
> is totally right. I love Java, but something is
> missing, somebody has missed an opportunity.
>
yes, they've missed the point that the vast majority of users couldn't care less about running 3rd party applications on their phones.
They want to use it to make phone calls, maybe as an organiser and web browser, and that's it.
Re: Why would a developer buy a closed-platform, when an open platform exis
I've used many different phones over the years and have always found the Nokia's to be very good quality. I've currently got an N95 and it lets me do everything I want. I can install 3rd party apps on it and I can write Java apps myself and install them if I want.It's the closed nature of the iPhone that, in the end, made me choose a different phone. open it up and I'd probably be interested.
Re: Not possible?
> > Do not worry, I am sure there will be a cure for> you
> > in the future.
>
> Is there no different strategy than switching to
> brain-dead mode if your serious arguments are gone??
> Do you really think people take you serious after
> reading stuff like this?
>
> Clemens
Maybe you where more impressed about the comment that the IPhone interface was not really good.
His comment was stupid, and I do not see why I would not say it.
That you take what I say seriously or not is for you to decide.
Re: Not possible?
> > We will see.> > But I need something that works and so far
> nothing
> > compares, Java or not.
>
> Oh seems we've some "I love the product because ...
> hmm .. I own it!". Serge you don't need to justify
> why you've spent so much money on this crap ;)
> By the way what do you mean with "works"? As far as
> I've seen except its consumer oriented UI the iphone
> is except its browser quite limited.
>
> lg Clemens
It is not available in my country yet, but I have many Apple products, their quality makes the other products look embarrassing.
You have to see that the IPhone is in fact an improved IPod, as such it is quite a success. To me the phone part is some icing on the cake, all the other phones are looking so lame, not well thought (If thought at all) not very well built and with interfaces that looks like a series of patch.
If you do not agree, then I hope your not working on UI
Re: Why would a developer buy a closed-platform, when an open platform exis
> > Sorry but I cannot care less about any Nokia> phone,
> > they are the one offering junk to customer's.
>
> I've been using Nokia phones exclusively for the past
> decade almost and I've always been happy with
> them...
> Had trouble twice, first time they gave me a new
> phone immediately (firmware fault, in the time before
> you could update firmware), the second time they
> repaired it quickly (screen hardware failure) and
> under warranty.
>
> Pretty much everyone I know uses Nokia phones and is
> happy with them.
I suppose that as plain phone they are adequate.
But I do believe that the IPhone is not really about the same market.
Although, Nokia is really big in this market, but on high end device their toys compare to the IPhone design.
The IPhone is targeting the IPod users, as such it is a very different crowd. I never owned a cell, but I want an IPhone. You would "give me" any other phone, I am not interested.
> > Steve jobs follows the IPod philosophy, and so
> far he
> > is totally right. I love Java, but something is
> > missing, somebody has missed an opportunity.
> >
>
> yes, they've missed the point that the vast majority
> of users couldn't care less about running 3rd party
> applications on their phones.
> They want to use it to make phone calls, maybe as an
> organiser and web browser, and that's it.
The majority of "business" user's, which is a small part of the population.
By it's price the IPhone targets a small market, but I assume that will change. There is a bigger market with teenagers, grand parents and family than for business.
But as with the Mac, I think Apple seems happy with a small but dedicated user base.
It is mainly closed to avoid software bugs, the IPod is the best example of that.
Ease of Development...
> > > Do not worry, I am sure there will be a> cure for
> > you
> > > in the future.
> >
> > Is there no different strategy than switching
> to
> > brain-dead mode if your serious arguments are
> gone??
> > Do you really think people take you serious
> after
> > reading stuff like this?
> >
> > Clemens
>
> Maybe you where more impressed about the comment that
> the IPhone interface was not really good.
>
> His comment was stupid, and I do not see why I would
> not say it.
> That you take what I say seriously or not is for you
> to decide.
ouch.. I didn't say it was bad - just compared to the other offerings out there - it doesn't have quite the edge that the Apple marketing dept would like you to think it does.
And as a developer - since it is closed (or at least fairly closed judging by the other postings on this thread) - it becomes a little less desirable to me.
Especially since the 'other' products out there are so easy to work with in terms of development.
Re: Ease of Development...
> And as a developer - since it is closed (or at least> fairly closed judging by the other postings on this
> thread) - it becomes a little less desirable to me.
I agree.
But I do think they do it for a good reason, I suppose it might change in the future. But name me a product that your 80 years old grand mother could use ? None but the IPhone.
So I can't develop for it, but I still like it and understand their concerns.
> Especially since the 'other' products out there are
> so easy to work with in terms of development.
Yes but not of them is interesting to me (and certainly not to your grand mother
Re: Ease of Development...
Certainly an old post, but it is interesting to see how the iphone word deviates people from the original question. Is it feasible to implement Java on an iPhone? I think it is (although I would be no candidate for the job), as noted by some of the few real answers, since it is a stripped down version of OS X and also since the new Java will have a much smaller runtime. The official SDK will be launched anytime soon, which would open the iPhone a bit more (not that a lack of one has stopped developers).