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Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
At 10:18 AM on Dec 15, 2007, Hadrien Flipouk wrote:
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I owe a great deal of my computing knowledge to O'Reilly books. I love their layout, their content and their overall professionalism. However, I am increasingly frustrated when it comes to O'Reilly and Java. All the new cool and exciting technologies are completely ignored by O'Reilly. This is my Christmas wish list:
- GWT: A Developer's Notebook
- Android: A Developer's Notebook
- Groovy Hacks
- Head First JSF
- Updates of the older books like 'NetBeans, the Definitve Guide' (2002) or 'Java Servlet Programming' (2001) etc.
What do you think?
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Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
I agree. I myself am a great fan of Head First Series.I get updates on every Java related book published by O'Reilly for review. The last review we published for O'Reilly was about "Tomcat: The Definitive Guide, Second Edition".
I don't see any upcoming Java titles in the near future as well.
Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
Android != JavaRe: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
I agree. O'Reilly was always where my search for new books started. Just about everything I read was from O'Reilly, but lately I have switched over to Manning Press and their 'In Action' books. My current book is Spring In Action, with Groovy In Action and the new Hibernate book on my Christmas list.Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
O'Rielly's Complete Reference series was something that I always referred to when in trouble but these days there are not many titles coming out. The Manning Press and their In Action series really rocks.Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
Well O'Reilly really does more buttom-up/grassroots stuff. Java is the opposite; old, clunky and dragging an enormous legacy tail which is causing all kind of trouble. To many, Java is very 90's and I guess O'Reilly seems to think so too. No big deal, just buy your books from other publishing houses, O'Reilly is free to make their own judgments. *Shrugs*And btw. neither GTW nor Android has anything to do with Java.
Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
> And btw. neither GTW nor Android has anything to do> with Java.
you are joking right?
Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
Pardon my ignorance, I know what's GWT. But what is GTW? Haven't heard anything like that.Is it just a typo?
Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
No I'm not joking. Google has been smart in both cases, coping a subset of the language and API but avoiding the JVM, the word Java and hence potential lawsuits by Sun.Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
Let's see> - GWT: A Developer's Notebook
Syntax similar to Java but library mostly different and compiles to Javascript
> - Android: A Developer's Notebook
Syntax similar to Java but library mostly different and compiles to something else
> - Groovy Hacks
Another language but compiles to byte code
> - Head First JSF
> - Updates of the older books like 'NetBeans, the
> Definitve Guide' (2002) or 'Java Servlet Programming'
> (2001) etc.
>
> What do you think?
Yep, the last 2 are more Java related
JLearnIt, Ant Commander, XINS, japplis.com.
Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
Android is much more Java than Java ME. after all, it is their market.i would not mind if some API (awt, corba, swing..) does not exist in their API, but they have more than enough to be called Java.GWT is also a Java only development environment.
Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
Remember what happened back in 98' when Microsoft chose not to implement JNI and added delegates/events, they were sued to not call it Java any more. Thus, technically, you can not call either GWT nor Android Java. It is not under the JCP, Sun can not exercise their veto power and as such it can't be considered Java but rather a fork.Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
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APRESS, Manning
Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
I want to ask just one question, If O'reilly doesnt like Java anymore what they like now? Dont tell me C# is the samething as Java, C++ thats going backwards, The only options I see is Python or Ruby but really for me are not real languages are just scripting languages, what else we have on IT around the world that we could use to develop robust, enterprise applications?. There is nothing that is not good right now. I just see Java and Java will be for sometime to come. Universities, collages, High schools teach Java all around the globe, almost all new enterprise applications use Java, The best frameworks and libraries are with Java right now, O'reilly could be very stupid not to work anymore with Java. We dont need hype that let to the fashion we need robust, scientific, pragmactic and business tools to develop great enterprise applications and that is with Java.Re: Has O'Reilly given up on Java?
> No I'm not joking. Google has been smart in both> cases, coping a subset of the language and API but
> avoiding the JVM, the word Java and hence potential
> lawsuits by Sun.
They still both having something to do with Java.