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At 10:43 AM on Dec 15, 2005, Rick Ross wrote:
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Can it be coincidence that all three winning teams used Oracle's JDeveloper for the RAD-Race challenge? Where was Eclipse, NetBeans, IntelliJ IDEA? We hear a lot of talk about the productivity people achieve with each of these worthy tools, but when push came to shove the tool used by the winners was Oracle JDeveloper.
I'm going to have to take another look at JDeveloper. I've always known it was a solid tool, but Oracle really mucked things up with their confused positioning of this product over the past few years. Maybe it's time to recognize that JDeveloper is just as strong a contender for the IDE crown as any of the other usual suspects, perhaps even stronger?
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Re: Javapolis RAD-Race: Top 3 teams ALL use Oracle JDeveloper
i don't find the source code, nor a free licensewhat do you mean with free as eclipse?
Re: Javapolis RAD-Race: Top 3 teams ALL use Oracle JDeveloper
JDeveloper is free see this FAQ:http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/htdocs/jdevpricefaq.html
JDeveloper is not open-sourced though. But there is a public Extension API that you can use to extend JDeveloper.
See: http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/htdocs/partners/addins/index.html
Free as in beer
So it's not free like Eclipse and Netbeans. It's just free as in beer.Re: Javapolis RAD-Race: Top 3 teams ALL use Oracle JDeveloper
> i don't find the source code, nor a free license> what do you mean with free as eclipse?
C'mon guys, stop being cocky. He said "Download for free". This clearly implies "free as in beer".
I'm a big FOSS fan, but why not stop this thread now becoming a OSS debate and one about the feature set of the IDEs mentioned.
Well, I quit drinking 20 years ago, so...
For me it's just "free, as in you don't have to pay to use it." I don't personally want to start writing IDEs, so I'm glad there are many more competent folks than me already doing this.The JDeveloper guys delivered a product that helped not one, but three teams (in a field of 14 or 15 teams) to beat all the others and deliver a winning solution to the RAD-Race challenge. That's the real news here, not something about the nuanced preferences of people more actively involved in FOSS. I certainly respect the enormous achievements and influence of FOSS, but it is not the sole consideration. Productivity should also get high priority around here.
Curiously, when I found this item I had just been battling with something in Eclipse that refused to update and hung without allowing me to cancel. Life's little ironies, eh?
Rick
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Re: Free as in beer
Which is just fine!Re: Javapolis RAD-Race: Top 3 teams ALL use Oracle JDeveloper
I dont think that it necessarily means that Jdeveloper is better than Other IDEs in term of productivity.Many factors affect the developers speed for design and implementation of an specefic case study.one of this factor is IDE , another one could be A CASE tool (In this Case the IDE itself) , developers knowledge base , Developers familiarity with use case domain , i think it is not fair to result in : Jdev is better because 3 first teams use it to win the race.
Re: Javapolis RAD-Race: Top 3 teams ALL use Oracle JDeveloper
Actually, if one reads the full annoncement as well as comments - not just the title. One can not help but notice several points:1. One of the winning teams was Oracle...
2. Focus was more on the business components (Business Components and ADF Faces (JSF)).
The only conclusion is that JDeveloper is better integrated with the business components and perhaps with the database for different reasons.
BTW. not of the teams was able to complete the task...
Cheers,
Leo
Here is the full annoncement:
The result are in, there are actually three winning teams: AXI, Oracle and LogicaCMG. And the stunning thing is that all three teams were using JDeveloper. AXI in combination with their own framework. Oracle was using JDeveloper 10.1.3 with Business Components and ADF Faces (JSF) and LogicaCMG was using Oracle’s JHeadstart. Congratulations to Oracle for building a very productive development environment.
Re: Javapolis RAD-Race: Top 3 teams ALL use Oracle JDeveloper
1. The fact that Oracle was the only IDE vendor willing to put their name on the line in such a competition shows something. The competition was open to any other IDE company to send a team over and try to beat the others - were the others too afraid to do this?2. The focus of the competition wasn't on the specific technology you use to build the application, but rather on the achiving as much as possible in a given time.
The fact that two of the three wining team based their application on Oracle ADF (Oracle's J2EE development framework) again shows the strength of this framework. People could have used Spring/Hibernate or any other framework to compete if they thought it would make them more productive.
The bottom line is which framework and IDE make you more productive - and the results are in.
Re: Javapolis RAD-Race: Top 3 teams ALL use Oracle JDeveloper
> C'mon guys, stop being cocky. He said "Download for> free". This clearly implies "free as in beer".
Check the summary of the article: " All 3 winning teams in the JavaPolis RAD-Race used Oracle JDeveloper. Is this a clue about real productivity under pressure? JDeveloper is just as free as Eclipse and NetBeans. Is Oracle overlooked? "
Confusing...
Re: Javapolis RAD-Race: Top 3 teams ALL use Oracle JDeveloper
well I'm here in Javapolis and for what I had see actualy Two team used Jdeveloper (Oracle and another one) and another if I remeber right, used intellijIdea and a couple of propetary frameworks and tools for data modeling.Well reading the task I think that JDeveloper had a lot of data, db, managment features that speed up the development or at least the fist phase of the project since CSV files where given as data model and legacy data.
guis based on tables
I don't have enough details about the assignment to know for sure but my guess was that a big part of the assignment was producing straight forward add/update/delete screens on top of tables in the (Oracle) DB. If this is the case it's no wonder that JDeveloper was the fastest tool for the job. Jdeveloper has wizards that do this. This of course says nothing about the usefulness of JDeveloper in a real world situationI just want to ask two questions, Sam...
1. - Does the challenge sound like it reasonably represents what real-world developers should expect to encounter in their day-to-day work?2. - If the teams using JDeveloper achieved a noteworthy productivity compared to the others, then doesn't that merit our acknowledgement?
I don't understand why some of the messages in this thread seem so intent upon diminishing the fact that JDeveloper was a part of all three winning team efforts. I know Stephan well, and I have absolutely no doubt he and the other JavaPolis organizers did their best to put together a fair and balanced challenge.
So, if JDeveloper helped three teams prevail in a fair contest, then let's not try to hard to take them down with guesses and innuendo. The teams using JDeveloper did really well, and they deserve to be proud. IMO, they have earned our respect, and JDeveloper, too.
Rick
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Re: Javapolis RAD-Race: Top 3 teams ALL use Oracle JDeveloper
What are you talking about, guys?There are only 13 teams are going to participate ...
There is no any action on RAD-Race's home page.
Evidently, they deferred the tourney.
Check it out!
http://wiki.javapolis.com/confluence/display/JP05/RAD+Race