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Official FreeBSD Java 5 Binaries Available
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"The release of official JRE and JDK binaries based on Sun's latest partner sources provide end-users and developers alike with confidence that they can use and create Java applications on FreeBSD with the same degree of portability, robustness and stability that they have come to expect from other supported operating systems," said FreeBSD developer and member of the BSD Java Team, Greg Lewis.
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Re: Official FreeBSD Java 5 Binaries Available
Great news! I'm not a FreeBSD user myself, but it has a good role in the server market which is an important space for Java to occupy.Re: Official FreeBSD Java 5 Binaries Available
Sometimes I wonder why Linux is the popular one.Congratulations!
Congratulations to Gregg, Deb and the rest of the FreeBSD team for passing the test suites.cheers,
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There are better Unix-like OS alternatives to Linux
FreeBSD, Open Solaris, and Mac OS X - as Unix or Unix-like operating systems - each have many qualities that recommend them over the various Linux distros.If you want a robustly locked down server consider FreeBSD; if you want to do some hosting and low overhead virtualization consider Solaris containers; and if you want the very best desktop GUI consider Mac OS X.
And now a common denominator of all these alternative-to-Linux, Unix-style operating systems, will be a great Java experience.
Linux is now the odd guy out because of the brain dead GNU licensing that it's being strangled by.
Even something as simple as playing DVD movies is a problematic issue for Linux, and yet is a complete non-issue for these alternatives. And all because of the Stallman/GNU license problem...
The smartest thing the Linux community could do right now is get all contributors together in a congress and agree to switch to a freedom compatible license.
Re: There are better Unix-like OS alternatives to Linux
> And now a common denominator of all these> alternative-to-Linux, Unix-style operating systems,
> will be a great Java experience.
>
> Linux is now the odd guy out because of the brain
> dead GNU licensing that it's being strangled by.
This has nothing to do with it, and never has.
It's a Sun licensing issue.
FreeBSD has one of the most liberal licenses on the planet, but it was unable to distribute it's own Java version without a Sun license. In fact it's not clear to me that someone is allowed to take a FreeBSD image, which can now include the JDK, burn it to CD and distribute it, as they are not BSD but someone else.
Technically, RedHat could negotiate a license with Sun to bundle Suns JDK with their RedHat products (of course, they could do that with IBM or BEA as well...).
Re: There are better Unix-like OS alternatives to Linux
> FreeBSD has one of the most liberal licenses on the> planet, but it was unable to distribute it's own Java
> version without a Sun license. In fact it's not clear
> to me that someone is allowed to take a FreeBSD
> image, which can now include the JDK, burn it to CD
> and distribute it, as they are not BSD but someone
> else.
They can't. In order to redistribute the FreeBSD Java port, they will need a trade mark license from Sun.
> Technically, RedHat could negotiate a license with
> Sun to bundle Suns JDK with their RedHat products (of
> course, they could do that with IBM or BEA as
> well...).
They do that with BEA and IBM, those two are available on RHN to RHEL customers, afaict.
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Re: There are better Unix-like OS alternatives to Linux
From foundation's web site:"OEM Downloads
OEM licensed downloads will be available shortly.
This section is for OEMs. An OEM is a vendor who will bundle the binaries with other software before distributing the bundled product to end users. The binaries are the same, but the license agreement is different. Vendors who are redistributing the binaries must have a trademark license agreement with Sun. Please go to redistributors link (not supported yet)."
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Re: There are better Unix-like OS alternatives to Linux
> > Linux is now the odd guy out because of the brain> > dead GNU licensing that it's being strangled by.
>
> This has nothing to do with it, and never has.
>
> It's a Sun licensing issue.
I don't have a problem with Sun requiring a license agreement with various stipulations to become a JVM vendor - as well as perhaps passing validations suites, etc.
When I buy a copy of Mac OS X, which comes with a JVM that is preinstalled and ready for use, I get a system that is a mixture of liberally licensed open source (Darwin), more restrictively licensed and controlled open source (Java), and proprietary (Aqua, Fairplay DRM, iLife, etc.).
That is the ideal: A splendidly executed system built out of all manner of software that has been created and made available on a wide range of terms. This is true software freedom. Every aspect is voluntarily arrived at by the participating parties.
The fact that Darwin is a foundational layer for OS X doesn't dissuade Sun from entering into terms with Apple. Whereas Stallman says that a GNU-licensed Linux should shun Sun and its JVM. (A picture of who is truly friendly to freedom doesn't get any clearer than this juxtaposition made right here!)
As long as a Linux distro out of the box has to be fully configured with software that is GNU or comparable to GNU, then it looses out. It won't always be able to seamlessly incorporate some kinds of software that are very important to users.
More DRMs (HDTV, etc.) will be coming down the pike. A lot of their codecs will be proprietary. Will it be possible for a Linux distro to stay on top of the software technologies that are important to consumers? Consumers want a seamless, out of the box experience. They will not want to spend time hunting down and installing technically arcane software components (like codecs) after the fact of their purchase - all because the nature of the licensing of the underlying OS compels such an approach.
Consumers using Windows and Mac systems will have no such problems.
The GNU license is one of the obstacles for the Linux OS going forward. Hence why Linux contributors ought to hold a congress and have an election on the basis of dropping the GNU license and replacing it.
Re: There are better Unix-like OS alternatives to Linux
> When I buy a copy of Mac OS X, which comes with a JVM> that is preinstalled and ready for use, I get a
> system that is a mixture of liberally licensed open
> source (Darwin), more restrictively licensed and
> controlled open source (Java), and proprietary (Aqua,
> Fairplay DRM, iLife, etc.).
You can get Linux distros which bundle the JRE, too. There is nothing in the GPL which prohibits it.
And I don't see how you can call Java "open source". You cannot reuse their code in your program, and you cannot distribute modified copies.
> The fact that Darwin is a foundational layer for OS X
> doesn't dissuade Sun from entering into terms with
> Apple. Whereas Stallman says that a GNU-licensed
> Linux should shun Sun and its JVM. (A picture of who
> is truly friendly to freedom doesn't get any clearer
> than this juxtaposition made right here!)
Apple does not even release Darwin now that they've switched to x86.
> As long as a Linux distro out of the box has to be
> fully configured with software that is GNU or
> comparable to GNU, then it looses out. It won't
> always be able to seamlessly incorporate some kinds
> of software that are very important to users.
Most users don't care about Java. They just view it as something slow and unstable, and rightfully so. Please don't have any delusions that Linux users are beating a path to the door of your "enterprise" wanting to run Java applications.
> Consumers want a seamless, out of the box
> experience.
And Linux users want free software, not piles of steaming manure falling off the back end of proprietary vendors. If you want Windows, use Windows.
> The GNU license is one of the obstacles for the Linux
> OS going forward. Hence why Linux contributors ought
> to hold a congress and have an election on the basis
> of dropping the GNU license and replacing it.
This is ridiculous. I don't think Linux developers are going to look to some mediocre business Java programmer for advice.
Seriously, you Java people are so stupid I cannot believe some of the things I read on this site.
Re: There are better Unix-like OS alternatives to Linux
No, Linux users look towards mediocre open source and academic programmers for advice.Linux GUI vs Mac OS X GUI
> This is ridiculous. I don't think Linux developers> are going to look to some mediocre business Java
> programmer for advice.
>
> Seriously, you Java people are so stupid I cannot
> believe some of the things I read on this site.
Slava, given as much as you enjoyed that posting, you'll certainly enjoy this one: Linux GUI vs Mac OS X GUI . It was written with you in mind.
Cheers
Re: Linux GUI vs Mac OS X GUI
> Slava, given as much as you enjoyed that posting,> you'll certainly enjoy this one: > href="http://humbleblogger.blogspot.com/2005/06/linux-
> gui-vs-mac-os-x-gui.html"> Linux GUI vs Mac OS X
> GUI . It was written with you in mind.
Why are OS X users "the rest of us" and Linux users are "zealots"? I use OS X as my primary desktop and I think its GUI is OK. I don't think the GPL is bad, and I don't think people who GPL-license their software are "fascists" or are doing anything wrong.
Basically the only argument people can ever make against the GPL is that "I cannot take people's source code and use it in my closed source program." Well guess what, if the program was not GPL but commercial, you wouldn't be able to take its source either!
Java and related technology have collectively set programming languages back 20 years and done more damage to computing than any "GNU fascists" can ever do.
Re: Linux GUI vs Mac OS X GUI
Notable Slava quotes:> Java and related technology have collectively set
> programming languages back 20 years and done more
> damage to computing than any "GNU fascists" can ever
> do.
Or this gem:
> What makes VB so bad, compared to Java anyway? Its
> almost the same language. Is it because its from Microsoft?
No, I worked at Microsoft so an anti-MS bias is not at play in my castigation of VB.
It was my experience as a dev mgr. of a dotcom where VB was the development language of the flagship business application code base.
The big issue that nearly killed this endeavor out right was VB's inane COM component model. Yet the ineptness of VB for software engineering on a large scale was in the end the more fatal. Because of my knowledge of Windows low-level programming and skill with assembly, C/C++, and perl, I dealt with the first. The latter problem was due to the flaws of the VB language and its tool infrastructure - so couldn't be remedied by any such magic bullet fixes.
Java, which I've done enterprise development in for a number of years now, has no such problems comparable to what I encountered in that VB adventure . Indeed, I have found that Java is entirely suitable for devising complex distributed software systems .
Re: Congratulations!
congratulations *respect*