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What do you think about sending suggestions of yielding status of exam leader to persons who are too busy to keep their exams in good shape?
Being moderator allow me to moderate all exams, not only these which I lead. I understand that the purpose of the exam leader status is the indication that this particular lad/girl is responsible for keeping exam in shape and also should be available to response to any contributor on the behalf of the question author (old proposals, question comments, objective comments). I believe also that if I send an e-mail to the person coordinating particular exam I shouldn't get a SMTP response telling me that his/her e-mail is no longer valid And that sometimes happens to me.
Since moderators can edit ANY exam, persons who can log to the JBB once in a month or two due to the work or university duties can still moderate these exams as regular moderators, but shouldn't be signed as leader since it is misleading for contributors and for entire community.
I guess that it would be better if given exam has no leader at all then such phantom coordinators. In the place of the moderator icon we can print out sth like 'Leader wanted - it could be you' with link to the e-mail form sending moderator status request to one of the admin. I guess it's gonna result in encouraging regular user to become moderators and active leaders.
I guess that critical time for question to be removed from the repair zone or freezer is a month. Critical. It should be done in 2 weeks. However I believe that if sb cannot afford to clean his/her exam at least once in a month he/she should be rather regular moderator. Note again that exam leader status gives you no additional privileges - you're still only in regular moderator rights from the perspective of the platform - this status indicates only that if sb has an issue concerning this exam you are the right person to bother And that you can be blamed for the mess in the exam if the former exists :P
Once again - I think that we cannot overemphasize the fact that exams with no leaders are gonna lead in more persons deciding to coordinate them. You know - sth like "I know X technology well and I see that exam 'X - basic' is orphaned - I can help then" instead of the "I know X technology well but 'X - basic' exam is coordinated by 4 moderators so I guess that they can handle it".
At this moment I coordinate 7 exams but believe me that if I find out that I cannot handle them all I'll resign from some.
Note also that such resignation may be temporary. One can become a leader again after 3 months of intensive occupation in work for instance.
What I suggest then?
1) Make sure that: all the coordinators e-mails are valid.
2) Check activity of the exam leaders in last n months (logins, amount of proposals accepted/rejected, open comments responded, etc.)
2) Ask every exam leader with backlog in his/her exam and/or little activity in their exams (some exams can be coordinated by more then one moderator) if they want to yield their leadership (even temporary) to sb less occupied.
I also noticed that I moderate most of my exams alone, but there are some co-moderators mentioned (the only co-exam leader with activity I noticed so far is Ahmed Khan).
So maybe it is a good idea to measure the activity of an exam leader. There is no point in having phantom exam leaders.
And I also noticed that I have never seen something in the forums from some of these phantom exam leaders. Maybe that is also an indication.
1.
I agree with you about exam leaders, thank you for putting this on the table. I vote for some clean-up. If anybody who has no time now, wants to be a co-leader again in a few month, he's welcome.
I'd like to have Jeanne's point of view on this.
2.
We plan to do a usability refactoring in Q3.
This will include:
- easier interface for any manual activity on questions for moderators (from lists) -> faster job
- progressive privileges bases on belt and/or contribution points.
A user with 300 contribution points, for example, might see some features that currently, only moderators see. For example, he could edit the text of the categories of the exams he has succeeded. All this has to be discussed before we start programming. Just to add the point here that in the future, the difference between simple users and powerful moderators might not be so clear, and be more progressive.
At JavaRanch, we have people re-pick which forums they moderate once a year. I think something like that would work here. (I volunteer to run it if people agree.) This approach lets people cycle between forums and weeds out inactive people.
I propose the following modified approach (to make sense for JavaBlackBelt):
1) We send an e-mail to all moderators announcing this and telling them to e-mail me or post in a forum thread their moderation preferences. This would be a list of exams in order of preference and how many exams total they want.
2) After a week or two, the exam coordinator (me in this case), compiles a full list of who has what.
3) We open it up for moderators to request any open exams.
4) If anything is still open, we leave it open as we solicit more moderators.
If someone is busy for a while, they can ask for exams later in the cycle or in the next cycle. I like the idea of letting this happen naturally rather than picking out people for not moderating.
Things to decide if we go this route:
a) How long should a cycle be? 6 months? a year?
b) What algorithm do we want to use? Maybe take everybody's number one preferences first (breaking ties first come first served) and then go through second preferences, etc. Give people one or two "starred" preferences to continue moderating the exams they have now for continuity?
a) I propose a 6 month cycle.
b) Let's invite everybody to make an exam selection and we'll ultimately decide. I guess rules will come together with problems.
Phantom exam leaders
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What do you think about sending suggestions of yielding status of exam leader to persons who are too busy to keep their exams in good shape?
Being moderator allow me to moderate all exams, not only these which I lead. I understand that the purpose of the exam leader status is the indication that this particular lad/girl is responsible for keeping exam in shape and also should be available to response to any contributor on the behalf of the question author (old proposals, question comments, objective comments). I believe also that if I send an e-mail to the person coordinating particular exam I shouldn't get a SMTP response telling me that his/her e-mail is no longer valid
Since moderators can edit ANY exam, persons who can log to the JBB once in a month or two due to the work or university duties can still moderate these exams as regular moderators, but shouldn't be signed as leader since it is misleading for contributors and for entire community.
I guess that it would be better if given exam has no leader at all then such phantom coordinators. In the place of the moderator icon we can print out sth like 'Leader wanted - it could be you' with link to the e-mail form sending moderator status request to one of the admin. I guess it's gonna result in encouraging regular user to become moderators and active leaders.
I guess that critical time for question to be removed from the repair zone or freezer is a month. Critical. It should be done in 2 weeks. However I believe that if sb cannot afford to clean his/her exam at least once in a month he/she should be rather regular moderator. Note again that exam leader status gives you no additional privileges - you're still only in regular moderator rights from the perspective of the platform - this status indicates only that if sb has an issue concerning this exam you are the right person to bother
Once again - I think that we cannot overemphasize the fact that exams with no leaders are gonna lead in more persons deciding to coordinate them. You know - sth like "I know X technology well and I see that exam 'X - basic' is orphaned - I can help then" instead of the "I know X technology well but 'X - basic' exam is coordinated by 4 moderators so I guess that they can handle it".
At this moment I coordinate 7 exams but believe me that if I find out that I cannot handle them all I'll resign from some.
Note also that such resignation may be temporary. One can become a leader again after 3 months of intensive occupation in work for instance.
What I suggest then?
1) Make sure that: all the coordinators e-mails are valid.
2) Check activity of the exam leaders in last n months (logins, amount of proposals accepted/rejected, open comments responded, etc.)
2) Ask every exam leader with backlog in his/her exam and/or little activity in their exams (some exams can be coordinated by more then one moderator) if they want to yield their leadership (even temporary) to sb less occupied.
Any comments?
Best regards
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Re: Phantom exam leaders
Hi,This is an interesting point.
I also noticed that I moderate most of my exams alone, but there are some co-moderators mentioned (the only co-exam leader with activity I noticed so far is Ahmed Khan).
So maybe it is a good idea to measure the activity of an exam leader. There is no point in having phantom exam leaders.
And I also noticed that I have never seen something in the forums from some of these phantom exam leaders. Maybe that is also an indication.
Just my 2c
Thomas
Re: Phantom exam leaders
Hi guys, I've seen your post and it deserves a good reply from me.I put it in my todolist and come back soon (this week-end ?)
Re: Phantom exam leaders
Henryk,1.
I agree with you about exam leaders, thank you for putting this on the table. I vote for some clean-up. If anybody who has no time now, wants to be a co-leader again in a few month, he's welcome.
I'd like to have Jeanne's point of view on this.
2.
We plan to do a usability refactoring in Q3.
This will include:
- easier interface for any manual activity on questions for moderators (from lists) -> faster job
- progressive privileges bases on belt and/or contribution points.
A user with 300 contribution points, for example, might see some features that currently, only moderators see. For example, he could edit the text of the categories of the exams he has succeeded. All this has to be discussed before we start programming. Just to add the point here that in the future, the difference between simple users and powerful moderators might not be so clear, and be more progressive.
John.
Re: Phantom exam leaders
At JavaRanch, we have people re-pick which forums they moderate once a year. I think something like that would work here. (I volunteer to run it if people agree.) This approach lets people cycle between forums and weeds out inactive people.I propose the following modified approach (to make sense for JavaBlackBelt):
1) We send an e-mail to all moderators announcing this and telling them to e-mail me or post in a forum thread their moderation preferences. This would be a list of exams in order of preference and how many exams total they want.
2) After a week or two, the exam coordinator (me in this case), compiles a full list of who has what.
3) We open it up for moderators to request any open exams.
4) If anything is still open, we leave it open as we solicit more moderators.
If someone is busy for a while, they can ask for exams later in the cycle or in the next cycle. I like the idea of letting this happen naturally rather than picking out people for not moderating.
Things to decide if we go this route:
a) How long should a cycle be? 6 months? a year?
b) What algorithm do we want to use? Maybe take everybody's number one preferences first (breaking ties first come first served) and then go through second preferences, etc. Give people one or two "starred" preferences to continue moderating the exams they have now for continuity?
Re: Phantom exam leaders
I like your suggestion Jeanne.a) I propose a 6 month cycle.
b) Let's invite everybody to make an exam selection and we'll ultimately decide. I guess rules will come together with problems.
Re: Phantom exam leaders
Hi,This sounds also good for me.
6 month cycle seems to be a good starting point.
tschuess
Thomas
Re: Phantom exam leaders
John,Ok. Let's leave this thread for comments for the rest of the week. Unless anybody objects, I'll start moderator exam picking over the weekend.